And, Not Or | A podcast

And, Not Or is a conversational podcast created and curated by Jeffrey Puukka. Episodes consist of casual chats as well as five ritual questions with down-to-earth actors, creatives, and arts-educators who are indeed currently making, learning, and living a life in their disciplines.  Listen for conversations meandering around:

Acting and theatre

Insights about actor training

Life stories and the wisdom from my conversation partners’ lived experience

The adventure of living life as a whole human

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Barbara Richardson on growing a nonprofit. And, Not Or

In this episode, a chat with Barbara Richardson, Executive director of Metropolitan Performing Arts, a growing academy, community theatre, and arts resource headquartered in Vancouver, Washington.  Barbara reflects on the challenges and high points of her work, her vision for the organization during the Covid-19 quarantine and beyond, how she shoulders the epic task of leading a nonprofit day to day, and why she does it.  If you enjoy the podcast, be sure to click to follow or subscribe, so you’ll automatically see when new episodes arrive. 
  1. Barbara Richardson on growing a nonprofit.
  2. Kevin Moore on emotion and the body
  3. Nancy Campbell’s search for authenticity.
  4. A conversation with Damon Millican.
  5. And, Not Or. A conversation with Lyra Butler-Denman.

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Episode 1: A conversation with Lyra Butler-Denman.

Lyra Butler-Denman

In this episode, Lyra Butler-Denman reflects on her journey through her first self-produced solo production, “Bardo”, as we have a conversation about loss, grief, and making one’s own work. Lyra Butler-Denman is a Portland, Oregon based dancer, actor, and multidisciplinary artist.

Episode 2: A Conversation with Damon Millican.

Damon Millican

In this episode, Portland based actor Damon Millican reflects on adventures from his life-long study of acting, and his role as a mental health advocate. 

Episode 3: Nancy Campbell, A search for Authenticity.

Nancy Campbell

In this conversation, Portland based writer and actor Nancy Campbell reflects on her very first acting class, the many twists and turns of her quest for authenticity in work and life, and how it was worthwhile for her to do the most frightening thing she could imagine.

Episode 4: Kevin Moore on emotion and the body.

Kevin Moore

This episode brings a conversation with Reembody Method founder Kevin Moore about the Reembody Method, memories from his experience as an actor, as well as some of the things he’s learned about the benefits of staying present, and what emotions can mean for the body.

Episode 5: Barbara Richardson on growing a nonprofit.

Barbara Richardson


In this episode, a chat with Barbara Richardson, Executive director of Metropolitan Performing Arts, a growing academy, community theatre, and arts resource headquartered in Vancouver, Washington.  Barbara reflects on the challenges and high points of her work, her vision for the organization during the Covid-19 quarantine and beyond, how she shoulders the epic task of leading a nonprofit day to day, and why she does it.